Nokia released today the Sports Tracker application for S60 5.0. There’s right now only one device with that version, the Nokia 5800 XpressMusic. So what’s the big deal here? Of course, the app had to be re-done to adjust to the touch UI input paradigm. The Nokia 5800 XpressMusic has a resistive touch user interface, hence applications that were developed for earlier S60 handsets with a T9 or qwerty keyboard need to be adjusted to this different user input mechanism. Both elements on the user interface need to become active areas and the whole layout so that you can use it with your fingers requires modifications.
In case of the Sports Tracker application the layout differs surprisingly little. So if you’re familiar with the version for older S60 versions, you will find everything very familiar. The screen is larger and in landscape mode (I prefer the sports tracker app in that mode) there are those soft key buttons on the screen on the right, as in the picture above.
Touch interface wise all functional buttons and parts on the UI are well sized and can be well controled from your finger tip. Very nice is flipping through the summary screens of a workout by using a gesture where you glide your finger vertically over the screen surface. The only place for improvement is the calendar view. For my taste there are too many weeks (rows) displayed and that lets one day become a bit of a small area.
We’ll go running with it tomorrow, let’s see how the Nokia 5800XpressMusic device fares compared to the previous ones, especially the Nokia N79.
For now here the link to download the app (for the S60 5.0, i.e. right now the Nokia 5800 XpressMusic only, later on the Nokia N97 as well)
Tags: nokia sports tracker
March 21st, 2009 at 10:08
Does WearLink (the heart thingy provided with N79 Active) work with 5800?
If it does, I wish they would make a bit more affordable 5800 Active bundle. I am not too fond of N79 (steep price, ~only~ Nokia phone that comes with a heart rate monitor. I rather buy the phone I want and get the heart rate monitor part as an accessory.).
Does Sports Tracker provide necessary metrics to use with Polar Personal Trainer (avg. heart rate, exercise length/distance, calories)?
I know that using Polar Personal Trainer with the phone is a bit of waste considering it cannot take full advantage of the data provided by GPS. Therefore it might make sense to develop a totally custom made solution for personal use.
How does the phone store the exercise session data? As I use Linux Mint accessing it using Nokia PC Suite is not possible (there’s no support for Linux yet I think) but there might be some other way to get past this limitation.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:29
@Juho
Yes, the SportTracker app for the 5800 XM supports the WearLink heart rate monitor belt. Instead of another handset bundle, I would expect Nokia at some point to sell the belt as an accessory. So that you can get whatever (S60) Nokia handset and then can add the heart rate monitor functionality.
If you can enter the details manually into the Polar Personal Trainer, you should get all needed data from the Sports Tracker app. But much more smooth is to use the Nokia Sports Tracker Service
Regarding storing exercise data, of course the Service is one place, even when you switch handsets at some point. The phone keeps all exercise data that you generated with that particular handset, the memory card (nowadays 4-16GB) won’t run out of memory that quickly. And even when updating the Sports Tracker app, your old data remains there, nothing gets lost.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:59
Alright. Thanks for the info. I suppose all I can do now is to wait till the WearLink heart rate monitor becomes available as a standalone product.
May 3rd, 2009 at 18:06
Hello,
i’ve used SportsTracker with N79 and previously with nokia 5500. Now my N79 has been stolen and I’m thinking about buying 5800. One of the points that is holding me back is that I’m not sure how apt is 5800 for use while running.. specially with interval training where you need to press a button to mark a new lap (interval). With N79 and a silicone case it was very easy to start a new lap without even looking. Could you please tell me how practical is 5800 for that matter?
Thanks…
May 3rd, 2009 at 22:54
well, a touch screen has the disadvantage that it uses primarily the human visual system. The button on the screen doesn’t feel differently than the rest of the screen, so you have to look at what you do on it.
One thing is sure, you’re doing here an “extreme” case. Extreme in a way that the whole system isn’t optimized for the hard core runner, who takes interval lap times. It works, yes, but it’s not optimized (optimization would reqire e.g. a wrist unit).
However, just tried it out. You could get used to it doing the following way. You keep the device in your hand while running the intervals the wrong way around with the hard buttond on the top. Then you just need to get used to pressing the screen area below the red button, that’s the lap split. Use a warning tone, then you get an audio feedback that the lap time was taken. And let us know here on 400days, how usable this is in the end. Best of luck and have fun with your interval runs!
May 4th, 2009 at 00:25
Hello,
thanks for your answer. It’s more or less what I thought… it seems 5800 it’s not very useful for a runner.. I think I will buy again a N79 or maybe an E75 (or even a 6720 if it gets released on time). Now I run with my old 5500 and although the UI speed is rather slow due to old hardware, the tactile response is good and allows me to run with the phone in the hand (I always run with the mobile in the hand) and start new intervals without looking. In fact, the keyboard and the soft keys are much better in 5500 than in N79 (the whole phone is slippery)
May 22nd, 2009 at 02:58
Yes, the SportTracker app for the 5800 XM supports the WearLink heart rate monitor belt. Instead of another handset bundle, I would expect Nokia at some point to sell the belt as an accessory. So that you can get whatever (S60) Nokia handset and then can add the heart rate monitor functionality.
Are you sure about that? i’ve just bought nokia 5800 and i’m thinking about buying the Polar Wearlink (http://www.polarusa.com/us-en/products/accessories/WearLink_transmitter)
so do u think it’ll work?
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:26
Anderson Oshiro said:
>Are you sure about that? i’ve just bought nokia 5800 and i’m thinking >about buying the Polar Wearlink (http://www.polarusa.com/us-en/products/accessories/WearLink_transmitter)
>
>so do u think it’ll work?
No. Using a regular WearLink transmitter won’t work. The one provided with N79 uses Bluetooth to transmit the information unlike the regular one which uses Polar’s proprietary mean of transmission.
Releasing it as a standalone product would effectively commoditize (ie. turn the product into more common like water or milk) heart rate monitoring as all you would have to do is to get one of those transmitters and connect it with your phone containing suitable software. Based on this it’s quite clear why the heart rate monitor belt is not available as a standalone product, yet.
Interestingly you can pick up Samsung miCoach SGH-F110 (comes with heart rate monitor, no GPS though) for around 130 euros. That’s quite affordable if you compare it to N79 Active bundle (~450 euros. You get three miCoaches for price of one of these!).
Note that the Polar WearLink (Bluetooth) is not the first product on the market. You might want to check out http://www.alivetec.com/products.htm and http://www.mobimotion.com/index.php?id=90&L=1 out of interest. If you are a developer, you might want to check out http://code.google.com/p/zephyropen/ (Open source SDK for Health Monitoring Devices).
June 2nd, 2009 at 22:32
I just would like to know if the accessory Polar digital wear link is working with the nokia 5800 express and the SportTracker?
June 14th, 2009 at 23:16
@Foxy
Sorry for this long delay in replying. It’s only the “Polar for Nokia” heart rte monitor belt that works with the Nokia 5800 XM and the Sports Tracker application.
July 29th, 2009 at 21:01
The link to the download that you provided does not seem to work at this point. And on Nokia’s site, the 5800 isn’t even listed in the list of phones for which this app is available.
I’ve searched the net and have found v2.05 and v2.06 of this app, and installed them both (06 replacing 05, of course). Both versions crashed upon trying to load.
Have you encountered any such problems? if not, what software version is your phone running? (dial *#0000# to find out). Mine is running v21.0.025.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:54
@Ethan
Thanks for pointing this out. Fixed the link. It’s the 2.05 version. Most probably the same you already tried.
My 5800 XM software version is older v20.0.012
August 6th, 2009 at 16:46
Hey,
The download link does say it’s version 2.5 but when installing it says it’s Sports Tracker version 1.83
August 6th, 2009 at 18:20
Hi, I just download NST v1.83 and installed on my N5800.
It seems to work just fine, but the gps signal appears en yellow “looking for signal” and I don´t get any info of Lat-Long and else. I´m tested in an open park.
I have the software version v20.2.014.311.03
I also tried NST v.205 and v.206 and niether of them open.
August 6th, 2009 at 23:39
@Gerrit
Thanks for letting me know. I had a link to another site and apparently they changed the version there. I downloaded v2.06 to my own server and have linked it to that version now
@Leandro
Other people have reported problems with the 2.05 and 2.06 versions as well (see Ethan’s comments above). I just installed the v2.06 version on my 5800XM (old SW v20.0.012) and checked that it worked, it did. I install apps on the phone memory, not on the memory card. Don’t know if that makes a difference, but I thought it’s worth mentioning.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:12
These guys recon their heart rate belt will work:
http://www.sensaris.com
email from info@sensaris.com
“Yes it can be a substitute and was actually designed with that in mind.We use it with a Nokia 2630 and the goal is to not force peple to buy an expensive phone. It is good to hear that there are actually lots of people looking for this because we need to have a minimum amount of orders for it to be worth it and to lower costs, so the more people are interested, the sooner we will be able to launch a series of 50 units for manufacturing.So please pass the message to keep our momentum going.”
October 15th, 2009 at 23:25
Keep in mind that there needs to be two things with such a heart rate monitor belt. First integration with a radio technology that’s on a handset/phone, e.g. Bluetooth. The other aspect is that there needs to be an application that reads from the heart rate monitor. With the Nokia handsets the only one has been so far the Nokia SportsTracker, an app found on midrange and higher-end handsets (not on a Nokia 2630). So, if someone offers the heart rate monitor belt, make sure that you understand how the system (=belt, phone, app) all works together.
October 24th, 2009 at 19:07
I think, or I hope that these guys are making a belt/sensor that can read the coded wearlink signals and then sending it through bluetooth to your phone. That way they use the (excellent) know-how from polar and the easy-to use technology from nokia without their own program. But you are right that if it is as they say that they want to have it working on a 2630 they’ll have to create their own app.
November 6th, 2009 at 17:23
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May 8th, 2010 at 09:18
Can someone direct me to a webpage that describes all of the features that the polar/nokia heartbeat monitor has - and all it can do? I am interested in something like this and am deciding now whether to go for an add-on to my phone or a stand alone watch. I am very interested in the idea of being able to upload data to a computer…but want to know more. What are all the things it can do that other HRM can’t do? What are those things that it can’t do that others can? Is there some kind of audio feedback mechanism, i.e. can I make it talk and tell me my heartbeat speed? that would make it easier to use, so that I don’t have to keep pulling the phone out to look at it when I am jogging.
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